A journey into the heart of the most beautiful word in the dictionary.

Our guest today is Matthew Klein, co-author of Trade Wars are Class Wars (previously discussed in episode 1774), and Substacker at The Overshoot.

We talk to Matthew about the on-again, off-again Trump tariffs, the reasons why the American administration believes the things it does, the role of the bond markets and the dollar in what is happening, and what’s going to happen now that the world’s two biggest economies are effectively cutting off trade with one another.

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