Sure, everyone had a good laugh at Ian Holloway but wasn’t that scene just a little too on-the-nose to be credible? Might some shadowy manipulator behind the scenes be having the last laugh at our expense? Ken is trying out a new schema for making sense of an increasingly chaotic reality: believe nothing, trust no-one, and always suspect the worst.


We also talk about bullying, Ralf Rangnick and Atlanta United’s infantilising $250 Fan Conduct Course.

We’re joined by Pablo Maurer of The Athletic in Washington DC to talk about the recent rise in political displays by fans at MLS matches, and the heavy-handed response of the league and some of the teams.


And then we link up with Daniel Roßbach in Germany to talk about Union Berlin’s overdue arrival in the first division of the Bundesliga, and how the commercial pressures of having to compete at the top level have created tensions between the fans and the club.

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