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After a week of European Super League chat, it might be hard to know where to turn for today’s show. But for months we’ve wanted to talk to Oisin McConville and Andrew Trimble, two of our favourite regular contributors, about a shared future in Northern Ireland, their different upbringings, and what role sport can play in bridging the gap between two communities.

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They also talk about why at various stages they felt like ‘bottlers’, how close Andrew came to learning the words to Amhrán na bhFiann, and why Oisin feels uncomfortable saying the words ‘Northern Ireland’.

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